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Covid: Panic or Precaution?  

GangBangMemphis 42M  
164 posts
3/28/2020 10:06 am
Covid: Panic or Precaution?

I'm curious what the consensus is now and how accurate it will turn out be. Whether we are afraid or not depends on how many we believe it will kill.

How many will die in the US from Covid over the next year?
Less than 10,000
Between 10,000 and 25,000
Between 25,000 and 100,000
Between 100,000 and 250,000
Between 250,000 and 500,000
More than 500,000
More than a million


GangBangMemphis 42M  
158 posts
3/28/2020 10:07 am

Getting it started.


ltrskr 72M  
4171 posts
3/28/2020 10:19 am

Is this just the US?


GangBangMemphis replies on 3/28/2020 11:44 am:
Yes. US only.

BustyBlonde34H 33F
3 posts
3/28/2020 10:21 am

It's currently 28,000 worldwide just after a few months.


GangBangMemphis replies on 3/28/2020 11:52 am:
I do not trust any information from China, so it could be more or less. Let's focus on the US.

Msmealsonheels 26F  
658 posts
3/28/2020 10:25 am

The answer to that question will so much will depend upon behaviors - past, present, and future. Everyone should beware though, and be vigilant. Evolution -IS- still at work...


GangBangMemphis replies on 3/28/2020 11:54 am:
There are even more to consider. How easy is it to catch, how many will get sick enough to die, how well does our society respond to build more respirators rapidly, do we develop/find drugs that combat it????

thikhead 63M
2853 posts
3/28/2020 10:32 am

just to clarify, do you mean here in the us? or world-wide?

from what i just saw, were about 2,000* in the us, but that will
undoubtedly go up dramatically since our orange talking head
stifled and ridiculed concern for two months before getting us started.

globally looks like about 29,000* with some countries controlling it well
and others are chain-reactions out of control.

* numbers from goggling "current corona numbers" -
accuracy not guaranteed.

"were all in this together"


GangBangMemphis replies on 3/28/2020 11:56 am:
US only. I edited the original post to reflect this.

I picked only us because I believe we are the most dynamic country. We can and do solve problems rapidly. People underestimate our ability to "science" solutions.

Freshfresh18 56F
1 post
3/28/2020 10:42 am

News Reporter and The /great President all has something to gain.


GangBangMemphis replies on 3/28/2020 11:58 am:
The politicians all act so they can say "see, without my actions it would have been so much worse" and there is no way to know because there is never a control where "nothing" is done.

Politicians "act" so they can claim credit. Nobody ever says, "you were so wise to get out of the way, you were so smart to let others solve it."

xNewsPhotog 57M  
154 posts
3/28/2020 10:51 am

Nationally or internationally?

So far, it appears to be between 1.5 and 3 % of those who contract the disease will die. I'd say there will be less than 10,000 deaths over the next month, but MANY people will certainly come down with it.


GangBangMemphis replies on 3/28/2020 12:01 pm:
Awesome, a man saying "why" he believes what he believes. See, I disagree. I believe only the people who are showing symptoms have been tested, so the percentages so far are dramatically skewed. We have to randomly test the population to know the true rate of infection. I don't believe we have had enough accurate test kits to do this. Add on that the tests need to be accurate, i.e., few false positives or negatives.

Msmealsonheels 26F  
658 posts
3/28/2020 11:24 am

Maybe I'm incorrect, but it seems like deaths in the US have very quickly tripled, or quadrupled in the last few days. 1,876 at this very moment.


Luv2bottom4u2 63M  
1523 posts
3/28/2020 11:27 am

All that do !


Msmealsonheels 26F  
658 posts
3/28/2020 11:39 am

The US death toll has been updated since I posted 12 minutes ago. 32 more people have died in the US. 1908 people in the US have now lost their lives to Covid-19.


thikhead 63M
2853 posts
3/28/2020 12:20 pm

QUOTING: GangBangMemphis replies on 3/28/2020 2:52 pm:
I do not trust any information from China, so it could be more or less. Let's focus on the US.

china?
i dont trust any information from TRUMP !
how could anyone ?


"were all in this together"


GangBangMemphis replies on 3/28/2020 12:50 pm:
Let's work with this. If an "expert" is wrong, like the WHO leader who gave a 3.4% death rate, does he get fired? Making correct predictions is how we determine who the expert is. Anyone claiming to be an expert should have a history of correct predictions.

I'm not worried about tracking what any politician says. I want to see the prediction rate of the "experts."

tsn4fun2 44M/42F  
258 posts
3/28/2020 12:47 pm

I have faith that US will eventually find a genius or two to create cure or at least be proactive in collaboration with those who do. However, as cautious and sensible as we think we are, there are soooooo many people here (yes.. in the USA) that are about as cautious and sensible as that turtle wanting to cross the highway... and they outnumber us by quite a bit. So I voted between 100-250,000... and I think (hope) that I overestimated but... we will see. Stay safe and keep on. 🙃


GangBangMemphis replies on 3/28/2020 1:16 pm:
Thank you for sharing your vote. I voted 10,000 to 25,000. I think we are faster and better than the "experts" can comprehend.

We don't have cure it, just lessen it's attack on our bodies and let out bodies fight it off. It's a cold for goodness sake.

Once we have tests, once we have drugs to slow it, I predict it will be less deadly that the flu - a LOT less deadly.

Huntress0rgasm 60F  
31 posts
3/28/2020 1:01 pm

@thikhead


thikhead 63M
2853 posts
3/28/2020 1:17 pm

voted 1/4 to 1/2 million,
and hope to god im wrong
and that its less rather than more.

problem #1 is the two-week incubation period -
how many out there already have it and dont know it yet
and therefore can be spreading it?
like those idiot spring-breakers that went viral on the beach?
or the corona-party people saying "its not our problem"?

problem #2 is getting test kits to everyone,
like the germans and the south koreans have.

why arent there enough? because our orange talking head
denied the seriousness of the situation
and insulted those raising concerns
(which his mindless minion followers then also did),
even though the intelligence community
was advising of the threat in january.

and the white house pandemic response team?
there WASNT one - he fired them all in 2018 WITHOUT REPLACING THEM.
he says "who could have known?" THEY would have. it was their job!

so TWO MONTHS LATE, we finally start
and because of the delay
we dont have enough tests.

and because we dont have enough tests,
theyre only testing people who have symptoms.

and because it takes two weeks to show symptoms,
we cant get ahead of it to trace it to stop its spread,
we can only react too late when someone
has already been diagnosed as infected
and has already potentially been spreading it for two weeks.

MAKE NO MISTAKE, our orange talking head made this more deadly
by denying the threat and pretending to be in control and in charge
as a CAMPAIGN TACTIC
and insulting anyone raising concerns
for TWO MONTHS before "doing" anything,
hes not only sharply steepened the divide in our country
hes already created for his own political gain,
but also may have sacrificed countless american lives in the process.

all the insults the trump-minion can come up with combined
cant change that.
we cant go back now, but going forward under trump?
im not religious, but god help us.

"were all in this together"


GangBangMemphis 42M  
158 posts
3/28/2020 1:56 pm

thikhead 62M

I am a person who doesn't tolerate propagandists very well.

Now defend the President and his actions. I want to know everything you believe he did correctly.

If you are unable list what many believe were correct choices, I will block you from commenting further.

I don't tolerate people who seek only confirmation of what they do or want to believe. I choose to associate with people who collect information from everywhere and can show the positive and negatives. So far, I haven't read a single positive, and I disagree with some of what you have written.

Yes, let start with what I disagree with. You said the President fired the White House Pandemic Team. Go find the reasons why this was the correct decision.


MMXX2020 49M
167 posts
3/28/2020 2:36 pm

today a representative of the health authority in UK said that if the deaths in the UK are below 20,000 it will be considered a success for the government. With 67:million population 20,000 is about 3 dead per 10,000 people.
Applying a similar percentage to the US population, it is around 100,000 deaths.
It will all go away by itself, like Trump said.


thikhead 63M
2853 posts
3/28/2020 3:04 pm

QUOTING: GangBangMemphis replies on 3/28/2020 3:50 pm:
Let's work with this. If an "expert" is wrong, like the WHO leader who gave a 3.4% death rate, does he get fired? Making correct predictions is how we determine who the expert is. Anyone claiming to be an expert should have a history of correct predictions.

"lets work work this"
,
YES, of course, AGREED, were in this together for a common cause.

1) the exact death rate number wont be known for months,
more likely years, until this has played out.
so NO ONE can say whether the WHO is "right" or "wrong",
especially trump nor his minions.

2) we shouldnt be ONLY be worried about just the WHO,
theyre just one source,
but also looking at OUR authorities -
CDC, NIH, and the white house pandemic response team.
oh wait, the pandemic response team was FIRED by trump in 2018
AND NEVER REPLACED

the track record that matters now is trump is 0-fer-1,
maybe 0-fer-MANY-MORE-than-1,
and showing no signs of having learned anything
nor attempting to learn and improve.
he constantly contradicts HIMSELF
well as the MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS.

but no matter what the final death tally may end up being,
it could have been less here in the us than it will be.

even if the WHOs estimate wasnt exactly right,
which again we wont know for months or even years,,
it was still a better estimate than trumps,
see list of PUBLIC RECORDS below:.

JAN 22: We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China.
FEB 2: We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. We're going to be fine.
FEB24: The coronavirus is very much under control in the USA.....Stock market starting to look very good to me.
FEB 25: CDC and my administration are doing a great job of handling coronavirus
FEB 25: They have studied, they know very much. In fact they are very close to a vaccine.
FEB 28: The Democrats are politicising the coronavirus. This is their new hoax.
MAR 4: If we have thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work - some of them go to work, but they get better.
MAR 5: I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.
MAR 6: Anybody right now and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. And the tests are beautiful. They are perfect.........
MAR 6: I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.
MAR 8: We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on coronavirus.
MAR 10: It will go away. Just stay calm, it will go away.
MAR 13: ~ [FINALLY] Declares National Emergency ~


after a two-month delay, and the resulting lack of enough tests,
hes left us for now with no other choice
but to assume ANYONE could have it and could give it to you,
and to assume EVERYONE ONE OF US
could already have it and be spreading it

i agree with you, at least i think we do -
that this has not been, and is still not being, handled properly,
like lives depend on it
and its not just an egomaniac liars reelection bid.


"were all in this together"


Shrewdy2 56M
46 posts
3/30/2020 9:02 am

I worried sick, that my mates stuck in Kentucky for another 2 months! America is now the epicentre of the pandemic thanks to Trumps head in the sand action. We & the US had 3 weeks warning (3wks behind Italy) to get our countries prepared. We wasted nearly a week with our plan which suddenly showed projections of 250,000 deaths, we fell in line with Europe with their approach (with slight differences) & our projections are now around 20,000 deaths.
Trump thinks stopping travel from China has helped, it didn’t, they had already shut down the country, the problem was in Italy & Spain by then! When he did do the travel ban from Europe rather letting people come back to the States when they were due, he panicked everyone back at the same time causing chaos at your airports & leaving your country with a ticking time bomb!
Everything that I see that worries on the news now comes from the States. 1,800 worshippers in church ⛪️ in Louisiana, well that’s their local hospital 🏥 buggered!! So much for social distancing! On average one infected person infects another 2.5 people, then that multiplies to that one person infecting 406 people, meaning 81 people will end up in hospital 🏥 with 3-4 dying! If you social distance & half your contacts you’ll on end up infecting 15 people & only 3 will end up in hospital 🏥 keep the death toll to under 1. That’s why you see NY & London & other big cities hospitals struggling so much!
The US just like the UK are not testing enough, Trump is lying that the States is testing the most people, Germany is testing the most by far, South Korea & Italy by capita have tested 3x as many as the US! This is where the UK falls down on & it could come back to haunt us!
The only man making any sense before last night were the medical professionals NY Governor Cuomo. Thankfully Trump last night finally started listening to his medical teams advice & aborted his ludicrous thought of getting the country back to normal by Easter at the peak of the epidemic! Let’s hope he keeps listening for all your sakes!
Its amazing to see all the different companies, universities, medical professionals & scientists getting together, only today the F1 team Mercedes have produced an improved respirator.
So stay at home & when we do go out we do social distancing , then we will save lives. We all need to stick together on this one & hopefully we’ll all get through this.


thikhead 63M
2853 posts
3/30/2020 9:19 am

AGREEING WITH YOU ON THIS: " You said the President fired the White House Pandemic Team. Go find the reasons why this was the correct decision."

guess what? we actually agree here -

there was NO GOOD REASON AT ALL why
disbanding what would have been our first line of defense against this
was "correct".


thanx for exchanging ideas, were all in this together

"were all in this together"


GangBangMemphis 42M  
158 posts
3/30/2020 12:23 pm

If you know that there was "No Good Reason At All," you should be able to answer my questions. I collect facts, think, and then hold an opinion that will change if the facts change.

1. How many people in the WH team?
2. How long was it in existence?
3. Do the CDC or NIH also focus on pansenics?
4. Does the WHO have people looking at pandemics?
5. How much was being spent on the WH team?
6. What mistakes were made that the WH pandemic team could have prevented?
7. Why the WH team more important than the the other groups?

I have more questions, but these struck me first. Since you are so knowledgeable, I'm sure you know.

8. Can you point to anything this team did over the last 3 years?
9. What did this team do on a day by day basis?
10. If the CDC has pandemic teams and experts, if this WH team us duplicating work, can it be disbanded?


thikhead 63M
2853 posts
3/30/2020 9:12 pm

i want to like you. i want to work with you. i admire your passion. really.
id like you to use it for the common, UN-politically-biased good.

im disappointed with your threat to block me
for seeing things differently than you -
thats censorship, the last resort of a closed mind -
i think youre MUCH more intelligent than that.
will you prove me right?

QUOTING: Now defend the President and his actions. I want to know everything you believe he did correctly

if there was anything, i would.
how bout you list things you believe obama did right?
im not as politically biased as you offensively make me out to be,
just for calling a wrong a wrong.

for perspective, when biden reached out and made a comment
that castro furthered reading education during his his reign,
repubs were all over him like stink on shit
for being a "communist sympathizer".

just like i point out a wrong when i see it,
ill point out a right IF AND WHEN i see it.
so far, i havent yet . . .

you want to point out a presidential positive?
im not going to take your test until you can prove TRUMP can pass it.
HES the president after all. not me, and not you.

id love to see him take the immigrants citizenship test.

after the stupid bowl, he didnt even know kansas city was in missouri
until someone corrected him after he made a fool of himself. again.
and what about that weather map sharpie stunt?
and the paper towels stunt in puerto rico after hurricane maria?
third-grade stuff at best.
and theyre all TRUE NEWS - AMERICANS ALL SAW IT ON TV.

if i DID stoop to your trap of a test, suppose i get 90%? or even 99%?
would that prove to you that i "dont know everything"?
and then would you extend that to i "dont know anything"?
did YOU even know any of the answers without having goggled
the questions and answers to try to trip me up?
i should be flattered that i mean that much to you
that youd go to such extremes to trip me up, but im not.
this is about so much more than that. agreed?

also, you earlier mentioned the term "propagandist".
question - if criticisms (in this case, truths that you dont like)
about the the way the current administration is running things
is "propagandist",
how about when you were (presumably) campaigning FOR trump
against clinton, as well as obamas legacy?
even assuming anything you said WAS truthful,
were YOU being propagandist?

personally, i dont care if its trump
or reincarnations of fdr, thomas jefferson
or jesus christ himself,
if things being said and done are wrong, theyre wrong.

you say you "collect facts"?
"facts"? or only those you happen to agree with?
do your facts come from anywhere but trumps tweets?
i think youre better than that, are you?

they say history is written by the "victor",
but REAL history will emerge in the long run.

some examples -
- we now know how abusive and exploitive colombus REALLY was
to the indiginous caribbean peoples,
- and that many "american indians" were abused and enslaved
by the pilgrims at the first thanxgiving,
- and that george washington and thomas jefferson
owned slaves while in office,
- and that in the 1930s, when the US was turning a blind eye to the facists,
those who were brave enough to join the communists to fight them
were then "black-listed" and worse in america after world war two.

in time, trumps "perfect response" will be known to be the "hoax" it is.

but ok, to humor you here,
lets look at that test you desperately want to trip me up with
(and that YOU probably didnt know the answers to yourself
until YOU goggled them to try to set me up).

without any research or goggling, and just off the top of my head,
heres a few quick, admittedly simplistic
but probably all too real for you, preliminary answers -
(we can discuss in detail later) -

1 and 2) how many in the team? and when were they founded?
whats the difference? they were disbanded in 2018 and not reinstated until TWO MONTHS LATE, and even now, "he" constantly contradicts things they and other medical experts say damn near daily.

3 and 4)) do the WHO, NIH and CDC look at "pansenics"?
yes, but each has different a focus, hence each being part of a TEAM.
for example, nine players play on a baseball team, but they each play a different position to make a team. but like 1 and 2 above, "he" constantly contradicts things they say damn near daily.

5) how much spent on response team?
for two years, we spent nothing. what a savings compared to the loss of lives and the cost to the economy and the cost of the stimulus packages
the CONGRESS created and "he" approved trying to retain votes. NOT!
- and now, he even wants to have HIS signature put on the checks. why?
is it possible its a personal agenda to try to take undue credit to win votes?

6) what mistakes could they have prevented?
depended on trump - the intelligence community warned him about the threat as early as january. what difference they could have made unfortunately would have only been as effective as the presidents willingness to listen. yeah, right. hed disagree with you if you told him it was raining and you were both standing outside in it. BUT if HE said it, it would be "perfect" and hed have been a "genius" for pointing it out to you.
perhaps if he had at least replaced them (the pandemic response team) with a team of his own choosing, he might have listened sooner?
no thanx to him, well never know.
7) why was the team so important? not necessarily MORE important,
(see response to 3 and 4) but ONE PART of a team. for them, monitoring situations here and around the world and advising actions to help to prevent or at least mitigate incidents like this was their SPECIALTY and WHAT THEY WERE CREATED FOR, but trump felt they werent needed.
how wrong he was, about that and so many other things too.
#8 what did the team do? nothing for the last two years, since they were FIRED in 2018
and not replaced until two months AFTER the virus was let to become rampant in the us.
9) what did the team do? monitor developing medical situations here and around the world and alert the administration of potential threats and act to mitigate them here and abroad BEFORE they get out of control. like happened this year in their absence.
10) most stupid question of all, repeated in full instead of excerpted - If the CDC has pandemic teams and experts, if this WH team is duplicating work, can it be disbanded?
first of all, refer to answers to questions 3/4 and 7,
nobody should have thought the pandemic team was "duplicating" efforts,
it was (or should have been) ONE part of a TEAM with its own specific focus, which was lost when they were disbanded, and at a terrible cost to our country.
and second, trump thought so, and look at the price weve paid -
we could be where germany (which borders ittly!!) and south korea are
in terms of number of deaths,
and not leading the world in cases and essentially tied for 3rd
for deaths. christ, were even ahead of fucking IRAN in deaths.

i look forward to discussing these issues with you in detail
and unbiasedly and untapping your passion,
but for the common good,
instead of supporting misguided political gains.
and no, im not democrat, im an american!
i dont give a shit about any of that nonsense,
i just want a country and government
that works the way it was supposed to,
for US and not for themselves.
can you open your mind to that? i look forward to that.

oh, and lets see YOUR answers to that quiz..
ill bet when you do and i goggle them,
theyll have been taken word-for-word from the internet
like your junior high school book reports probably were.

PLEASE dont take me wrong,
i really hope im wrong about you on that -
i want this to work !
show me ! please !


"were all in this together"


GangBangMemphis 42M  
158 posts
3/31/2020 4:32 am

You stated categorically that there was no reason to disband the pandemic team. I will tell you my thoughts since you won't answer my questions.

At my company, we have 2 experts that fly to one of 15 plants when there are problems. I would wager everything I own that there are people at the CDC, NIH, and WHO who are paid tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars to study infectious desieases. I keep seeing them on tv – former this and former that. All paid by the govt to be knowledgeable about infectious disease. The WH doesn't need more people doing the same damn thing. That's the easiest reason to disband – already doing it elsewhere – and if you can't see that, then this is just your outlet for hating Trump.

You refused to answer questions 1 & 2. If you can't asnwer these questions, then you shouldn't have an opinion on whether the team was needed. If the SAME people still work at the WH but in different teams, then the same people are still available. If the same people are still there, just working on different teams, then you are complaining about nothing. You are showing your hatred, not informed opinion.

Refuse to answer 3 &4. If you don't know how many are on the team, don't know when the team started, you have no clue as to what the team was doing. Your baseball team analagy is fake news – making shit up.

Refuse to answer 5.

In asnwering 6, you show how uninformed you are. The leader of the team resigned and the remaining people are still there. Found that out with a google search. Never did find out how many and how much it cost.

There is nothing further to discuss. You've shown that you know nothing and will make shit up. You can't answer the absolute basic question: How many people were on the team? Can't answer the next most important question: Are there already people doing this?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/17/no_the_white_house_didnt_dissolve_its_pandemic_response_office_142683.html

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/13/fact-check-no-trump-did-not-fire-the-entire-white-house-pandemic-team/


thikhead 63M
2853 posts
3/31/2020 8:11 am

hope youre doing well.

funny about the timing of this - its an article on msn, origianally from ABCnews, about a medical watchdog site called "stat"
that warned of this in january. THATS what the pandemic response team should have been in place to do. especially note the last two sentences:

On New Year’s Eve, Helen Branswell, a reporter at the science and medical news website Stat, was finishing an article about the development of an elusive Ebola vaccine when she got an inkling of her next big story.
“Hopefully this is nothing out of the ordinary,” she wrote on Twitter, adding a link to a report of an “unexplained pneumonia” in central China.
Two days later, she tweeted a South China Morning Post article about the outbreak and wrote, “Not liking the look of this.”
Stat published Ms. Branswell’s first article on the “growing cluster of unexplained pneumonia cases” on Jan. 4. There was some indication, she reported, of “a new virus, and perhaps even a new coronavirus.”
Stat, a digital publication in Boston founded in 2015, was early to a story that would dominate the news. In January, a month before the first confirmed case of unknown origin in the United States, the site published articles on the coronavirus’s ability to be spread by asymptomatic carriers; how it could test President Trump’s penchant for undermining established science; and the determination by experts that containing it “may not be feasible.”
“We’re not seeing stories first because we’re smarter, faster or more savvy,” said Jason Ukman, a managing editor. “It’s just because this is the world we’ve been plugged into the whole time. We were built for this.”


"were all in this together"


thikhead 63M
2853 posts
3/31/2020 8:19 am

hope youre doing well.

just as many spinners either way - this is from SNOPES:

Amid warnings from public health officials that a 2020 outbreak of a new coronavirus could soon become a pandemic involving the U.S., alarmed readers asked Snopes to verify a rumor that U.S. President Donald Trump had “fired the entire pandemic response team two years ago and then didn’t replace them.”

The claim came from a series of tweets posted by Judd Legum, who runs Popular Information, a newsletter he describes as being about “politics and power.” Legum’s commentary was representative of sharp criticism from Democratic legislators (and some Republicans) that the Trump administration had ill-prepared the country for a pandemic even as one was looming on the horizon.

Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that had gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure. The “pandemic response team” firing claim referred to news accounts from Spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted.

Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior.

It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.


point is, whoever "did it", it was a poor decision to not at least put a new team in place. there were (or should have been) there for a reason.

"were all in this together"


thikhead 63M
2853 posts
3/31/2020 8:30 am

hope youre doing well.

may i make a suggestion -

try this with your quiz,
if its all about being having to be a trivia expert
to be "for or against trump",
try giving that quiz to all the flag-waving trumpers you know,
or any of the more fervent (abrasive) ones here,
maybe cum_happy for starters?

lemme know how that works out. im very interested

"were all in this together"


GangBangMemphis 42M  
158 posts
3/31/2020 9:12 am

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/22/who-officials-try-to-contain-china-coronavirus-as-well-as-public-fears.html

You are persuaded by one reporter? What about the entire WHO who refused to declare it world health emergency 3 weeks later?

When did your experts declare a world pandemic? March 11th.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/who-declares-coronavirus-global-pandemic

When did Trump start restricting travel with China? Feb 2.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/trump-adviser-claims-president-was-first-leader-restrict-travel-china-due-coronavirus-north-1494559%3famp=1

What did Nancy say about the dangers on Feb 24 in San Fran? "Everything is fine here."

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/30/nancy-pelosi-dismissed-coronavirus-threat-february-chinatown-visit-everything-fine-here/

How about the WHO losing their credibility when they tweeted that there was no human-to-human transfer on Jan 14 - according to Chinese authorities.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/world/world-health-organization-january-tweet-china-human-transmission-coronavirus.amp

I have predicted around 25k deaths this year and you believe ten times as many. We will find out.


thikhead 63M
2853 posts
3/31/2020 1:06 pm

hope you are doing well.

You are persuaded by one reporter? What about the entire WHO who refused to declare it world health emergency 3 weeks later?
When did your experts declare a world pandemic? March 11th.


interesting. you seem to be influenced by one source only as well - what the WHO did or didnt do. did you see the article i sent you about the med web site STAT that started predicting this in january, as the pandemic response team also would have. they would have seen the same info that STAT did. one focused team would have yielded a more reliable result. IT WAS THEIR ONLY JOB, one that no one else was equipped to focus on.

When did Trump start restricting travel with China? Feb 2.

TRUE, but it doesnt take much to "force" trump to close a border. to say hes not a "fan" of foreigners would be a gross understatement. there were a lot of additional things he could have also done instead of thinking that
that one act would stop everything. im sure you would have known better
(thats a compliment to your research ability, not a dig).
north korea closed theirs on jan 22 and ittly on jan 31. unfortunately,
in ittlys case, that single act alone didnt seem to prevent the situation there, as it didnt here.

How about the WHO losing their credibility when they tweeted that there was no human-to-human transfer on Jan 14 - according to Chinese authorities

yes, it sure appears they surely made a mistake quoting a chinese source.
but in january, when intelligence and others in the medical community were warning about this, on JAN 22, trump was saying - "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China."

I have predicted around 25k deaths this year and you believe ten times as many. We will find out.

yes, we will. DOCTORS fauci and birx both predicted 200,000,
as did almost 20% of your readers who answered your poll.
believe me, i wish to the heavens your number is more accurate
and that neither you nor i are among them.

i enjoy our debates. youre knowlegable,
unlike many trumpers here who know nothing
besides what he says in his briefings
(which are part campaign speeches) and tweets.
im sure you hate being viewed by others like they view them.

thanx. good luck

"were all in this together"


Twinker466 19M
8 posts
4/4/2020 8:07 am

Yes


GangBangMemphis 42M  
158 posts
4/5/2020 8:12 am

Big Picture - I don't believe lots of "experts," and I want minimal government. Most liberals parrot experts and believe government can solve any and all problems. I'm an apologist for capitalism and believe government gets in the way.

When told that this or that expert was correct, I counter with other experts who were wrong. You are not dealing with the WRONG experts. If you are going to be controlled by experts, you need to know who to tell the quacks from the true experts.

It's poor thinking to select experts AFTER THE FACT who were right and ignore the ones who WRONG. In the moment, life is pretty messy. Looking backward, you are not giving full credit to all the chaso that is society.

You completely ignored St. Nancy saying everything was fine on Feb 24, completely ignored the WHO's failure to declare a pandemic until 11 days into March, but you expect Trump to have seen this pandemic on Jan 1 because some reporter, or the middle of January. Trumped acted to shut down flights from China in January and you still won't give him credit. You backhanded call him a racist when you say he doesn't like foriegners.

Even after Fauci predicted 200,000 to 1.7 million deaths, you see success and I see failure. Can you tell me the assumptions that lead to only 200k deaths? Did life follow those assumptions? I don't know and I bet you don't either.

Knock it off with the fired pandemic team. You don't know a damn thing about it and are making shit up. You can't even tell me how many people were on the team. For all we know, the same people are doing the same things and reporting to different bosses.

Testing, testing, testing. What does it mean? It means they can tell who has the ACTIVE virus in their body. But what happens after you kill it? It's gone! You fail the test. You don't HAVE covid, but guess what, you could have had it and are now immune. If you are now immune, you can't spread it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0&list=PLQS1gzJaW_NyeIB13gpG5HcfdtG1hu5ID&index=319&t=0s

How many are immune? WE DON'T KNOW!! Why don't f'ing know? The FDA didn't grant permission for antibody testing until Thursday, April 2nd. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/health/coronavirus-antibody-test.html

So, all the information relating to fatality rate is opinion, a guess, but we are told and sold that they know. They know the fatality rate of those who have tested positive for the active virus, but nobody knows how many had it, so they do not know the “fatality rate” as we tend to believe it – if I catch this, what are the odds I will die.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-fatality-rates-vary-wildly-depending-on-age-gender-and-medical-history-some-patients-fare-much-worse-than-others-2020-02-26


thikhead 63M
2853 posts
4/7/2020 6:10 pm

hope you had a safe (and socially-distanced) palm sunday.
i think that while we debate, we agree on more things than you realize.

as it turns out, your trivia contest over the response team
rather than dealing with the ISSUE is a moot point after all.

wasnt "someone else" doing "the same thing"?
turns out yes.
apparently, peter navarro, one of his top trade advisers was,
in addition to the entire intelligence dept,
was issuing warnings as early as january.

problem was, trump wasnt listening to anything that threatened
his little fantasy world that everything was perfect
because he was such a great president.
oh, and running for re-election above all else on that premise.

closing the "china border" was a showy token move,
possibly as a preventive measure,
but equally likely a calculated "america-first" propaganda ploy.
and maga trumpers sure loved it.

but then blindly assuming that
that was a complete and total solution
without following up on nor paying attention to
the unfolding situation was an impure act of egotism.

as far as trumps views on navarro,
fake news? no ! out of his own mouth -

President Trump on Tuesday said he had not seen memos from one of his top trade advisers warning in January of the consequences of a potential pandemic, but denied he would have acted differently if he had.

brave? heroic? NO, stupid and reckless. reckless with american lives.

why HAVE advisors if you dont even read their reports,
let alone heed their advice?

so theres no point debating anymore who said what,
or what resources were in place or not,
its always been about why trump didnt and wont listen to anyone,
and in fact argues with and contradicts any medical specialists
he fears appearing inferior to.
what are we, back in junior high school?
bullying the "nerds" because you think being "cool" and "tough"
makes you better than those who are smart?

and even this week, after almost 13,000 US deaths so far,
while announcing CDC recommends masks for everyone,
he doesnt waste a second countering that its "voluntary"
and that he "doesnt think" hell be doing it.
and follows up with hed do it if he "felt it was necessary".
GREAT leadership. NOT !
how many trumpers will unnecessarily infect and possibly kill even more
following his "brave" leadership ?

and you want to play trivia games?
after the stupid bowl,
trump thought kansas city was in kansas
until someone (everyone) corrected him.
and hes the president!
give him the immigration test and see how he does.

and he and his minions still call sanders "crazy" and biden "sleepy"?
and him the "greatest president ever" ?

i respect your research abilities and knowledge too much
to believe you dont see a rotten fish in this whole scenario.


i DO agree with you on this - that the testing now
is only telling us where it is now and has been
and not where its going to be to act to prevent its spread.

tragically, had we started two months earlier,
we would have had a much better chance of containing it
and keeping the death toll a lot lower.
but even now, as our "leader" flaunts defying medical advice,
tracking its trail of death is the best we can hope for.

this is one case where, as nascar drivers say,
second place IS the first loser.

have a good night. ttys

"were all in this together"


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